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Ok, I know I'm going to get some flack for this, but this comic is not biblically accurate, but that is the joke.


Here is the real text from the part in Exodus where Moses turns the rod into the snake.

¶And the Lord spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,

9 When Pharaoh shall speak unto you, saying, Shew a miracle for you: then thou shalt say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and cast it before Pharaoh, and it shall become a serpent.

10 ¶And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.

11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.

12 For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron’s rod swallowed up their rods.
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Pretty cool.

Obviously, it was written at a time when the Hebrews acknowledged the other gods existed and had power*, only not so much as Yahweh. I remember an episode when they invade Moab and since the king of Moab sacrificed his elder son to his god the Hebrews were put to flight.

* it's an attitude that persisted for quite a long time since after the Babylonians took Jerusalem refugees were angry at Jeremiah for making them turn away from mild gods who would have helped in favor of Yahweh who punished them.

I read the serpent business was a common trick of the egyptian priests: they knew how to catch a snake behind the head so it would become stiff and immobile like a rod, and throw them down at leisure. I never tried that one LOL
I don't know how they did that trick to turn water into blood though… ( maybe they just added some instant color… )
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~Azzabackam Jan 29, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ah, man, this is funny!

Also, I noticed something about the Script: It says the rods of the magicians also became serpents, but this would imply that the miracles of the Egyptian gods have power. Is the Bible saying that the Egyptian gods are real, but somehow lesser than the Christian god?
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Technically in the bible it says "thou shalt not have any other gods before me." But it never actually says anything about there not being lesser gods.

Sooo, at that point you're going to open a big can of worms depending on who exactly you pose that question to.
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~Azzabackam Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Huh, interesting.

I'm surprised I've never heard anyone else make this point. Given how famous these verses are, you'd thing SOMEONE would notice.
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:iconskasha:
This is why I said it really depends on who you ask. While I am not a Christian I have noticed that in that community there seems to be a heavy attitude of "believe what I tell you to, or else" rather than actually sitting down and discussing what those books actually say. You don't find that as often in any other religion, except maybe Muslims.
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~Azzabackam Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, that's true.

But still, I've NEVER seen someone find this. Not even radical extremists, who are less likely to care about criticism from the community.

Also, I'm non-Christian as well. Just so anyone reading our comments knows where I stand. :D
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How many people have you asked?

I'm pagan, but I was raised Jewish. When I was a kid I was always asking questions in Sunday school, and they were the type of questions that the teachers just never knew how to answer ("But what about the dinosaurs?" "But where did Cain and Able's wives come from?" "How did Noah have enough food to feed all the animals?" "How did Noah keep the lions from eating the zebras?" etc) So I always ended up having to do research on my own in one way or another. That being said that detail is something that stands out to a lot of pagans that I've met.
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~Azzabackam Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Sorry, I accidently hit a key that added that comment.

Anyway, I don't really have any contemporaries in my daily life to discuss religious matters with. It makes me kinda sad. :(

I also had the same experience in my life, just swap "pagan" with "agnostic" and "Jewish" with "Protestant."


What I meant to say was, this is a passage of the Bible that suggests the existence of deities other that Jehovah, and this comic is the first I've heard of it. That seems rather odd, doesn't it?
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Not really if you think about it. Take history for example.

Christianity (and most other religions when one is the most dominant in a particular culture) has been incredibly barbaric and inhuman in a lot of it's conversion tactics. The Spanish Inquisition, the crusades, the witch hunts, and lots more. Those events were made up of men going into towns and villages and saying basically "join us or die a horrifically painful sadistic death." Generally speaking, that sort of behavior does not inspire thoughtful theological discussions.

And while, yes, the world today is much more civilized in a lot of ways, Christianity has a long history of being violent. People in that particular religion didn't really stop using god as an excuse to murder people till about a hundred years ago, two hundred if a person was being generous about it. That's only a couple of generations.

On the bright side, in this day and age if a person wanted to study the bible or any other religious book (and pick apart or memorize or discard) how ever they see fit that person probably wont be called a heretic and killed for it.

There's lots of books out there on a lot of this stuff. If you're interested in this sort of thing, you might want to try reading the aquarian gospel. There are many other books you could read, but that might be a good starting place.
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~Azzabackam Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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